84 – High-carb paleo issues

2 thoughts on “84 – High-carb paleo issues”

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   Wes

   30 December 2011

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   Thanks for the note, CarbSane. I’ve heard your interview with Jimmy Moore, btw, which I found interesting. You’re clearly passionate about this subject and would like people to have a clear understanding of human metabolism. I’ve also listened to Jimmy’s show “Gary Taubes Responds to Critics (Episode 439, Pt. 1 ),” which delved into the subject further and touched on the history of disagreement here.

   As you heard on our show, Kevin and I side with the evidence that Gary (et al.) has been presenting, which leads to the ineluctable conclusion that the insulin factor is what’s ~primarily~ responsible for fat accumulation and then later metabolic derangement (as we’ve also noted, more insulin secretion can lead to a host of other problems too, such as heart disease and cancer).

   Circulating metabolite levels (such as your much-discussed non-esterified fatty acids) do indeed vary in the relative presence or absence of insulin. As you’ve noted, with increasing insulin resistance, more problems in this realm happen with NEFAs.

   We also of course don’t believe CICO (calories in calories out) has much to do with people’s weight problems, because the hormonal effects of differing macronutrients are not being taken into account. Most people have no idea exactly how many calories they’re ingesting, let alone expending, but they can sufficiently guesstimate the amount of carbs they’re consuming–and it turns out that our food supply is loaded with them!

   It’s tragic that so many people are overweight and obese, and if there’s one thing we can agree on, it’s that the traditional dietary “wisdom” is not helpful for most people to achieve their ideal weight. Many things need to change, and hopefully more people will question the presumed “authorities” so that they will be more scientifically rigorous. We’re all for civil discussions of contrarian opinions, yet given the history of your disagreements with Taubes’ discussions of the insulin factor, I’m not sure we’d be able to find enough common ground to do a show justice. Thanks for the inquiry, nevertheless.

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   Evelyn aka CarbSane

   28 December 2011

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   I’ve never approached a podcaster to come on their show, but this podcast really sparked me to comment here.

   It’s the insulin RESISTANCE guys, not the insulin levels with respect to health factors. Insulin does not regulat fat mass levels, it regulates circulating metabolite levels — or tries to. Gary Taubes does not present physiology and endocrinology accurately, plain and simple. (Oh and when did Taubes go paleo?)

   I would love to come on your show and discuss the science on insulin as well as the straw man arguments about CICO.

   If you’re interested in a civil discussion of contrarian opinions, without the 30 bananas a day thing, feel free to email me at carbsane at gmail dot com.